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Do Christians Really Believe in the Ten Commandments or do They Just want us to?

It is amazing that we continue to have attempts by people to erect monuments to a sectarian religion on public ground.

The Daily Republican, in Marion Illinois reports:

If a Marion man’s efforts succeed, the downtown square may soon have a monument to the community’s tradition of faith.Ken Kessler is modeling a monument of the Ten Commandments after a similar monument at the Mt. Vernon, Ind., courthouse.“These aren’t just Christian laws,” he said. “Moses brought these down from the mountain. They aren’t something we came up with.”The Ten Commandments are a foundation of two religious faiths, Judaism and Christianity. In the  Supreme Court of the United States courtroom, two huge oak doors have the Ten Commandments engraved on the lower portion of each door….

I have a question? WHICH Ten commandments should be used? (strikethrough highlights obvious differences)

1And God spake all these words, saying, I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 0But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. Thou shalt not kill. Thou shalt not commit adultery. Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s. (Exodus 20:1-17)

OR

I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. Thou shalt have none other gods before me. Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me, And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou. And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day. Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. Thou shalt not kill. Neither shalt thou commit adultery. Neither shalt thou steal. Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour. Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour’s wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour’s house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour’s.  (Deuteronomy 5:6-21)

And besides…..most Christians do NOT really believe the ten commandments are for today, or any other day.

All I have to do is watch how people live to know the reality of what they say.

No other God’s before me has been retranslated into “making God #1.”  God number #2 is the NFL, who really is God #1 on Super Bowl Sunday.

Taking the Lord’s name in vain? Many Christians think that means saying God damn or Gawd dangit if you are a Fundamentalist Baptist. A truer definition of taking God’s name in vain is when people say one thing with their lips and do another.

Remember the Sabbath? What’s that? You mean going to Church from 10-11 on Sunday Morning? I gotta work on Sunday. So, I am sure the Lord understands. (ever read the Bible? He definitely does NOT understand. God kills Sabbath breakers) 

Honor your father and mother? When is the last time you’ve been to see them? Oh they are in the nursing home? What’s wrong with them? Oh nothing, they are just old…..

Do not kill (in the Hebrew that means murder I am sure you will tell me) How about war? Civilians? People convicted of murder and executed based on circumstantial evidence? (a clear violation of the Bible’s rules of evidence) How about abortion? STOP! ABORTION IS MURDER!!  Does your wife take birth control pills?

Do not commit adultery?  Come on……really? Have you ever looked at a woman and lusted after her? Ever? Yes? PERVERT. And Jesus said you are an adulterer in your heart.

Do not steal? Do we even need to talk about this one?

Do not bear false witness? That’d lying BTW. Done any of that? You mean you always, without exception, tell the truth? Not even a little , white lie? Come on, confess. YES?   LIAR! LIAR! LIAR!

Do not covet. You are an American, right?

Well, at least you don’t have any graven images. Wait what’s that around your neck? A cross?

Ok, I am trying to be a bit snarky and humorous at the same time.

Here’s the bottom line.

Many Christians want monuments of the Ten Commandments (really only part of them, and usually the Exodus version) on  public property to remind all of us of a law that their religion says is so important that none of them keep it.

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Some on The Religious Right Make it So EASY for Us Liberals

Comedy Central, Gay Reich’s

(when I posted this the playback from Comedy Central was sketchy. It is not your computer or NW Ohio Skeptics)

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The OTHER Oil Spill

CNN reports:

Officials in Michigan urged residents living near the Kalamazoo River oil spill to evacuate the area Thursday because of health concerns.

Between 30 and 50 homes are thought to be affected by the request, which was made by the Calhoun County Public Health Department.

Oil leaked Monday from a 30-inch pipeline owned by Enbridge Energy Partners. The oil is moving from Talmadge Creek into the Kalamazoo River, which flows from near the city of Battle Creek into Lake Michigan. The pipeline normally carries 190,000 barrels of oil per day from Griffith, Indiana, to Sarnia, Ontario.

The leak was stopped Tuesday, but not before an estimated 19,500 barrels of oil slipped out. The cause of the spill is under investigation.

“The Health Department is recommending evacuation due to the higher than acceptable levels of benzene found in air quality tests and the adverse long-term affect associated with exposure,” officials said in a statement.

Benzene can cause drowsiness, dizziness, rapid or irregular heartbeat, headaches, tremors, confusion, or unconsciousness, the department said.

Health officials have advised residents to stay away from oil fumes and to avoid the spill site.

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Jesus is Coming Back May 21, 2011

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The Colorado Springs Gazette reports:

Marie Exley of Colorado Springs is convinced that Armageddon, the end of the world as written of in the Bible, will come next year.

Her conviction is so strong that, though unemployed, she’s paid $1,200 to buy advertising space on 10 Springs bus benches through October to get the word out. The ad says, “Save the Date! Return of Christ: May 21, 2011, WeCanKnow.com.”

“I want to do all I can to get the message out,” Exley, 31, said.

Exley got the idea for the ads from listening to Family Radio, a Christian broadcast heard on 55 stations in the United States, including KFRY, 89.9 FM, in Pueblo. It’s hosted by controversial Christian leader Harold Camping.

Camping predicts Christ will return on the date in Exley’s advertisement. Listeners in other states have also purchased outdoor ad space to proclaim the date.

The ads are written and designed by the creators of WeCanKnow.com, an Ohio-based web site devoted to reminding people of Christ’s return’……

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Evangelical Professionals in a Secular State

You are an Evangelical Christian.

You believe the bible.

You went to college, graduated, and now you want to get a job in a secular work world.

You have a degree in counseling,education, social work, pharmacology, medicine, etc.

You knew when you went to college to train for these types of jobs that you would have to work with people who come from all walks of life.

You knew not everyone would be a Christian or even your brand of Christian.

You knew you would be required to work with and help people who live differently from you.

You KNEW this.

You could have found work in a Christian setting, perhaps for a non-profit that is run by a Church, private college, or denomination.

But you didn’t.

You chose to take a secular job.

You chose to work for a government agency or a public institution.

You found out that America is not a Christian nation.

You found out that most people don’t really believe the Bible let alone read it.

You found out than even among Christians there is a hopeless myriad of opinions and beliefs.

Yet, knowing all this, you now are offended that your Evangelical Christian views aren’t respected?

You are offended that you are not allowed to follow your sincerely held convictions as you work with your patients, students or clients.

You are offended that your view on abortion or RU486  doesn’t matter. Abortion is legal.

You are offended that your view on premarital and extramarital sex doesn’t matter.  After all….it’s legal.

You are offended you can’t teach religion as science or pray in the classroom.

You are offended that your view on homosexuality, gay marriage, gay adoption, etc doesn’t matter.

The only thing that matters is the law.

Surely you remember the class where the professor talked about the law, and that you as a professional must never make value judgments.

Remember it is not about you.

It is about your patient,your student, your client.

If you are so offended over a requirement of your job please don’t clog up the courts with your frivolous discrimination suits.

Maybe there are some jobs Evangelicals like you can not in good conscience do.

So you have a choice.

Do your job or quit.

Save your religious moralizing for Sunday or whatever day it is you worship your God.

In a secular state such as ours we have separation of Church and State.

This protects people like me from people like you.

If I want to hear the “old old story” I’ll stop by your house of Worship.

If I want my children to be taught the creation myth or be prayed with I will do it myself.

But today……I expect you to do your job.

The job you trained for.

The job you are getting paid for.

You KNEW all this didn’t you?

So stop the feigned discrimination and martyrdom.

You are making yourself out to be a fool.

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Why Evangelical Christians Believe the Bible

Let it therefore be held as fixed, that those who are inwardly taught by the Holy Spirit acquiesce implicitly in Scripture; that Scripture carrying its own evidence along with it, deigns not to submit to proofs and arguments, but owes the full conviction with which we ought to receive it to the testimony of the Spirit. Enlightened by him, we no longer believe, either on our own judgement or that of others, that the Scriptures are from God; but, in a way superior to human judgement, feel perfectly assured—as much so as if we beheld the divine image visibly impressed on it -that it came to us, by the instrumentality of men, from the very mouth of God. We ask not for proofs or probabilities on which to rest our judgement, but we subject our intellect and judgement to it as too transcendent for us to estimate.  (John Calvin)

I wish Evangelicals would be honest about this instead of trying to “prove” the Bible is true ,reliable, accurate, scientifically accurate, historically precise, etc, etc, etc.

Evangelicals believe the Bible because the Holy Spirit tells them it is truth. This is a matter of faith.

Evangelicals embarrass themselves, and their religion, when they attempt to “prove” that the Bible is the truth.

One either accepts the claims of the Bible as truth or they don’t.

It has always been about faith.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good report. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. (Hebrews 11:1-6)

HT: Ken Pulliam

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Praying for Christopher Hitchens by Garret Keizer

I rarely post complete articles off of the internet BUT I couldn’t find a natural cut point in this article. It is whole cloth and I hope you’ll read it.

Garret Keizer writes:

hitchens Not much given to surfing the net, I’m never surprised when I’m the last person on my block to get the news. More and more, however—perhaps as a result of age—I’m not “getting the news” in another sense. I’m not understanding it.

Two days ago when I was told that Christopher Hitchens has been diagnosed with cancer of the esophagus and that this has sparked a discussion about whether people ought to pray for him, my first reaction was a stupefying bewilderment. I can’t say that I’ve entirely recovered. I’m still not sure what I’m missing.

Presumably the question exists only for persons who believe in prayer, and more specifically in intercessory prayer. It cannot exist for the theologically “mature,” a crew beside which Christopher Hitchens has always looked good to me. For them, the Source of All Being is simply too set in Its Cosmic Ways to consider any gratuitous alterations or special pleading.

But as for the rank and file kneelers, why should it be a question to pray for a man stricken with disease? One would expect a prayer to leave the heart even before the question entered the head. One would expect the impulse to be almost as spontaneous, say, as logging onto the Internet. That’s what I intend to do as soon as I’ve formed some of my own thoughts on this. It’s possible I will discover that there is also a heated discussion on whether a person ought to form his or her own thoughts before logging onto the Internet, but I need to digest one controversy at a time.

My first thought here and the easiest to dispense with is that some might balk at praying for an outspoken atheist because “he doesn’t deserve it.” Neither did St. Francis, but his mother still prayed for him. If deserts are a prerequisite for prayer, then any question about prayer is moot.

Perhaps there is some question of whether to pray for Hitchens’s conversion, though I assume anyone so inclined has been doing so all along. What should a diagnosis of cancer have to do with it?

I imagine others will consider withholding their prayers out of an overdeveloped sense of respect. Hitchens would not want us to pray for him; therefore we should not. These are the same people who would hesitate to coax a despairing teenage girl in from an eight-story ledge for fear of disrespecting her decision. For such people the cardinal sin is not a lack of compassion but a want of tact. As they are likely to tell you, female genital mutilation is “a cultural thing”: what constitutes a screaming, bleeding, sexually tortured little girl for one person might not constitute a screaming, bleeding, sexually tortured little girl for somebody else. I believe Hitchens would say bollocks to that—one reason to at least hope for his recovery.

No doubt the people I’m referring to are generally very good people; I just have a hard time trusting them. I suspect they are hiding laziness under a blanket of good manners, mental laziness most of all, as if respecting an atheist’s right not to pray were identical with respecting his wish that others not pray for him. They are like a boy who loses his crush on a girl because she tells him not to like her. One hopes the young swain will eventually get over his infatuation, but if that’s all it takes to disentangle his heart, the girl is well rid of him.

In the end, the only sensible reason I can imagine for prayerful people not to pray for Christopher Hitchens is that, with so many others in need of prayer, they have to draw the line someplace. In other words, it’s not that Hitchens fails to make some grade; he simply fails to make the cut. There are too many queued up ahead of him.

For example, consider the people who will say, or at least inwardly believe, that Hitchens is being punished by God, who apparently hates him worse than Stalin or Attila the Hun. Aren’t those people in dire need of prayer? Never mind anything so relatively trivial as an esophagus; aren’t they in danger of losing their souls?

Or what of the people who will see Hitchens’s cancer as a spur to repentance and who will therefore need to hope, should the pundit prove especially recalcitrant, that he suffers for as long as it takes him to change his mind? Surely we must pray for their souls also, to say nothing of the intestinal fortitude of their guardian angels and patron saints.

And what if Hitchens does change his mind? He has not been afraid to change his mind about things before, pre-emptive war being one. What of those people who would view a sickbed retraction not as a triumph for Hitchens or for God but as a point scored for themselves? We were right, Hitch was wrong, and even if it turns out there is no God, at least we have that victory for consolation. Is there any person so pitiless as not to offer a prayer for someone so pathetic?

Then think of the doctors and nurses who will find that in the eyes of their friends and associates they have suddenly become better, more estimable doctors and nurses—not because they are more knowledgeable, skilled, or caring but because they are treating, OMG, a celebrity! Shouldn’t we pray for these doctors and nurses lest the Evil One tempt them to engage in all manner of despicable practices out of sheer contempt for patients more impressed by 15 minutes of fame or even 15 weeks on the New York Times Bestseller List than by 15 years of arduous preparation in order to heal the sick?

That leads us to the subject of people in Haiti who also get cancer, and how many doctors and nurses they have at their disposal, but let’s not go there. And we probably won’t.

Instead, let us turn our thoughts to the poor hack writer who views another man’s sickness and suffering mainly as an opportunity to earn a few bucks and a few extra Google hits for himself, and who will in all likelihood spend more time tinkering with his hired sentences than praying for Hitchens or his own mother. Is there no one who will spare a word of intercession for me, or if you don’t go in for that sort of thing, perhaps a check or money-order made out to my name? I’ve just been quoted $425 to recondition our sorry bathtub, but you know as well as I that once the incidental charges get tacked on, we’re looking at five hundred minimum, and then there’s the matter of faucets and a new towel rack.

So many choices, so many needs, and a life cannot be given over entirely to prayer. Bed and Bath leave so little time for Beyond. Fortunately there is an ancient petition expansive enough to cover every case I’ve mentioned and brief enough for Tweeting: Kyrie eleison, “Lord have mercy.” Lord have mercy on us who wander like sheep without a shepherd, harassed and helpless, fleeced at every turn, bleating and blogging about the existence of God and the curse of the vuvuzela and the passion of Lindsay Lohan and the sweet Christ knows what else while children starve and are blown to pieces by bombs dropped in our name, while the skies and seas and the future itself are blighted by our waste, arrogance, and frivolity. Lord have mercy on us, because on top of all that, a man in the prime of his life and at the height of his powers and in the full confidence of having hit his stride can be slapped with something like cancer of the esophagus, as any of us might likewise be slapped with brain cancer, bone cancer, colon cancer, rendering us even more stupid, spineless, and full of crap than we already are, which is not fair, or if fair, not funny at all.

Lord have mercy. It covers a multitude of sins and an even greater multitude of creatures, including poor Christopher Hitchens, poor me, and—unless you happen to be a bodhisattva or one of the Lamed vov or the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world—poor you, and even then, poor you.

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Will Someone Please Interpret This?

Christian man (pastor?) at a National Organization for Marriage (NOM) rally in Providence, Rhode Island.

If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. (1 Corinthians 14:27,28)

Evidently these verses are in this man’s Bible.  :)

Or……..they are and this is all a Big show.

Let’s see, which is it?

:)

NOM has posted a SHOCKING (their word) video clip of the behaviour of those protesting against NOM. You be the judge if this is SHOCKING. (I only see one man  who was a problem, and not much of one at that.)

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Jack Schaap Quizzes Couples on Virginity

Jack Schaap,pastor of First Baptist Church, Hammond Indiana:

 

Note his list of things he doesn’t do. He unintentionally exposes the reality that some Fundamentalist Baptists DO  do the things he lists.

HT: Sharon

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Fundamentalist Christian Man Says Lynch Gay Couples

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Sign at National Organization for Marriage Rally in Indianapolis, Indiana.

Larry Adams, the man holding this sign, was interviewed by someone from the Courage Campaign:

NOM STAFFER TO ADAMS: We don’t want anything inflammatory, we’re here in love. [...]

ADAMS: If homosexuality was punished like it was supposed to be, there wouldn’t be so much homosexuality out here….

COURAGE CAMPAIGN: Have you ever had that temptation?

ADAMS: Oh yea…I know it is from the devil so I avoided it….I was all confused myself until about 40 years old and started reading the bible…and now I know what’s right and what’s wrong. The bible says, then I believe it.

Perhaps we have finally found the one person in the world that actually believes ALL of the Bible?

Probably not.

I suspect he just believes the parts about killing homosexuals.

This is another example why the Bible is one of the most dangerous books in the world.

HT: Think Progress

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